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Title: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: GnIDa Russian on Apr 11, 2011, 21:51:52

Good day! Hence, once on the subject will speak. Today I have been told that you (FOTL) want to beat the cw, but do not want what I would have attended there, you have argued is that supposedly I have a mod installed on the "cheetah" as audi. You are likely to rely on this screenshot (I will spare him from the bottom)
In order, in the first place - I did not hide and when someone I have one of your asked - I answered as it was in fact that I changed for some time model. Second, it is not used it on cw with any teams. Model has been changed somewhere around one and a half weeks and then returned to the good old cheetah. Screenshot - it's your argument? They are not backed by anything serious, and your attitude to it does not seem to adults.

We are not averse to re-play cw with you, but what to think, to try to catch hold of anything superfluous to me was not in the first team?
This is not adult behavior, it is plain hatred :)
In any case, if you're not sure of me, you think that I deceive you, then during the beginning of cw, I'll make a screenshot and not leaving the server will throw a link to it in the chat and we will see :) It's simple as two fingers mess . As you can see - to find a solution was easy, and these unfounded claims make you think that you just have a fear of playing with us cw if I'm in the team and it's absurd and wrong. Why hold this paradox? I'm not to understand, it looks a little pathetic.

Let's just, you do not show pride and we are to adequately discuss this point in a particular subject, okay? If something is unclear, ask again please. I look forward to the adequacy of your hand.

Click to enlarge
(http://i2.imageban.ru/out/2011/05/14/565489d3cc8861ecded4d8bd1fa2aebf.jpeg) (http://ownageowls.com/forum/mgallery/?sa=item;id=276)

I hope all the points I have laid, though here and think nothing happened. Want to check? check, but not an ounce of not weighing the claim for me to exaggerate about your team. Give me a reason to question my right!?

p.s. reference to the topic will be posted to him on the forum.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Shadow_ on Apr 12, 2011, 00:13:19

To be quite honest the fact they made all this huge fuss over a stupid car mod is DUMB.. its a car mod, it doesn't harm anyone i just think maybe their upset because they lost .. but i do not want to gloat, Gnida you don't have to worry i will not play if you're not allowed as i shall stand by fellow Owls! especially in times of stupidness and pathetic(ness) << if thats even a word !

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Starac on Apr 12, 2011, 13:45:35

flare played that  cw??? cos i know from my sources that he has car-mods too. do you get some advantage or your car is maybe faster with that mods?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Rotten on Apr 12, 2011, 15:17:36

It will only change the skin,but if you put a bigger skin like a bus,youll start bouncing other players while you push them.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Ericblazed on Apr 12, 2011, 15:56:45

Car mods will actully help you in DD wont they? i thought they was cheap to have

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 12, 2011, 17:37:43

Don't speak unless you know what you're talking about, otherwise you're simply contributing to the rumors that feed their trashtalk.

A car modification is composed of several parts, the basic ones being: a TXD file for the texture, a DFF file for the visual  model, a COL file for the collision (physical) model and changes to handling.cfg (all data regarding driving) and vehicles.ide (data regarding wheel size and ground clearance).
A more complex modification may alter more files, but I will keep this simple.
The bright ones amongst you may have noticed by now that you cannot look at any picture of a modified car and claim that the person has an unfair advantage, it is simply not possible to generalise like that.

Changes to the handling.cfg and vehicles.ide files will be blocked by the MTA anticheat, there is probably a hack to get these changes working, but that is an entirely different accusation towards GnIDa; one I will happily put my head on the line for, he does not cheat.

The TXD and DFF files are entirely visual and do not change any behaviour of the vehicle ingame, you could replace these two files from the Cheetah with those of the AT-400 and it would change diddly squat.
If you were to do this, you would still drive around with the handling, collision and behaviour of the Cheetah and other players would be none the wiser, they would see you as a Cheetah and you would react to any interaction just like a Cheetah would, the only difference is you would be seeing a massive plane, meaning you would likely have no clue as to when you were going to get hit; purely an advantage for everyone else.

That leaves the COL file, which I am not sure the anticheat checks.
Editing the COL file is of course not allowed and could gain you an unfair advantage (or it could do the exact opposite), but again, unless you know what you're talking about, don't spread rumors.
Rotten, what you have said is entirely untrue and is not what would happen were one to modify the collision of the car.
The two things you could do is increase or decrease the size of the collision object.
If you were to increase it, you'd put yourself at a huge disadvantage, as you would be thrown away by other players ramming you before they had even touched you on their screen.
This means that they wouldn't take any damage and wouldn't have any impact on their own car (as long as you aren't lagging too much) and if you tried to drive towards them, you would be instantly stopped when you touched them on your screen, as on their screen you woudn't have touched them.
Do the opposite and you would gain your advantage, as when players hit you on their screen and stop dead in their tracks, there wouldn't have been any impact on your screen and if you were to drive towards them, they would be mercilessly pushed along as there would be no obstacle to grant you any resistance on your screen.

So, to get to the point, you cannot modify the handling or vehicle file and TXD and DFF modifications are purely visual and make no change to the ingame behaviour of the car, but you are not allowed to edit the collision.
Even if he did modify the COL file, not knowing what it did, you can clearly see that the dimensions of the car are near identical to the Cheetah, the difference would have to be measured in quarters of an inch and with his ping, a change this minimal would make zero difference to actual gameplay.
Though with that said, I am quite sure that all there was to his mod was a TXD and DFF file, meaning it makes absolutely no difference to anything or anyone, except provide him with a fresh look for the car.

It's not the first time GnIDa is accused of foul play, likely because he's just that  good, so here's something for you to ponder:
If he really was using this modification to gain an unfair advantage, do you think he would take a picture of it and upload it for everyone to see?
Irregardless of what you may think of him based solely on his English, GnIDa is not stupid, and thinking that he would do something this idiotic is nothing but an insult to him, so well done on that one.
If that isn't enough for you, think about when this became an issue, was it when he was playing with this modification? No.
It was only after the picture was posted, meaning there was never even a problem to begin with.
This is nothing but a bunch of sour, immature losers (in the sense that they have likely lost to GnIDa in a match) deciding to try and brew up a shitstorm, because if you can't beat the best, you can always try to convince everyone that they're cheating to mend the damages to your little e-penis.

QED motherfuckers, now sit down, shut up and eat your waffles.


Oh and for those who were a part of this pathetic crusade, I would just like to add insult to the injury I caused by just stomping on your face:
That's a mighty fine car you've got there, Flare (http://ownageowls.com/forum/mgallery/?sa=item;id=223).

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: GnIDa Russian on Apr 12, 2011, 17:56:13

Comment on every thought.

Quote from: Shadow- on Apr 12, 2011,  00:13:19

To be quite honest the fact they made all this huge fuss over a stupid car mod is DUMB.. its a car mod, it doesn't harm anyone i just think maybe their upset because they lost .. but i do not want to gloat, Gnida you don't have to worry i will not play if you're not allowed as i shall stand by fellow Owls! especially in times of stupidness and pathetic(ness) << if thats even a word !

Indeed, from the outside it looks like the anger of losing and eagerness to take revenge, clinging to every speck of dust. After a fight with his fists is not waving, but once FOTL brought this topic - I offered to sort out. Shad, thanks for the support, it is wise! :)

Quote from: Starac_Serbia on Apr 12, 2011,  13:45:35

flare played that  cw??? cos i know from my sources that he has car-mods too. do you get some advantage or your car is maybe faster with that mods?

Yes Starac, he also took part (Flare). Model of the machine may not operate correctly if it is not correct (large), for example, if the cheetah put limousine. I put the audi which is identical to the standard size - cheetah. This was checked in the file "TXD". And then I went to the server and no one ever complained because I did not lag. And I'm not trying to justify it, I'm stating a fact for FOTL. Once again, during the cw mode was not - is the key word. He stood for a short time.

Quote from: Rotten on Apr 12, 2011,  15:17:36

It will only change the skin,but if you put a bigger skin like a bus,youll start bouncing other players while you push them.

All right! Above I have just explained this point. See my next reply.

I do not understand these baseless accusations, if they are not out of resentment and anger for the loss.

Link to this topic, Tomo put them on the forum.

p.s. While I answered, a new post, now acquainted.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 12, 2011, 18:00:12

Quote from: GnIDa Russian on Apr 11, 2011,  21:51:52

In any case, if you're not sure of me, you think that I deceive you, then during the beginning of cw, I'll make a screenshot and not leaving the server will throw a link to it in the chat and we will see :) It's simple as two fingers mess . As you can see - to find a solution was easy, and these unfounded claims make you think that you just have a fear of playing with us cw if I'm in the team and it's absurd and wrong. Why hold this paradox? I'm not to understand, it looks a little pathetic.

I have to say, that's a good idea, taking a screenshot while staying on their server without disconnecting. And then upload it.
They want him out of this competition because they know how good Gnida is.

Hell, that screenshot is even on our gallery! If he had the mod still, I would remove that picture from gallery, but really it isn't big of a deal, others are cooking this big mess..
At first, Shadow convinced me to not be on COTC, he had a good point.
Just because we are untrusted, we do CARE about our members unlike others.

eXo isn't taking a host advantage of this, you should be the one who's gonna decide.
If some clans refuse or they have their own principles, f*ck em! (Sorry to say, but this is true.)
You started this COTC, take advantage and decisions only to yourself.

Maybe we do have to defend our first year of COTC. We will see how this will go

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Shadow_ on Apr 12, 2011, 18:19:55

Once again alpha the philosophical owl of us all has spoken, as both him, GniDa and Tomo have said this is obviously just an attempt at stopping probably the best one out of all of playing in the COTC.

I suggest you all think about what you're really trying to do and what a bad name this gives to you espcially FOTL .. You may have over 150 members, but that doesn't mean shit when your so scared of 1 partiuclar person that you feel you must make up lies.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: GnIDa Russian on Apr 12, 2011, 19:02:51

Quote from: Alpha on Apr 12, 2011,  17:37:43

Don't speak unless you know what you're talking about, otherwise you're simply contributing to the rumors that feed their trashtalk.

A car modification is composed of several parts, the basic ones being: a TXD file for the texture, a DFF file... (Copied the part that had not been a large volume.)

Alpha, I carefully read your speech. Firstly thanks for taking the time to it! I would be very difficult to explain because my English all the possible and impossible actions to internal files - "handling.cfg and vehicles.ide, TXD, DFF". I do not have to write a whole article about the internal files gta, since you all captures are very clear and very accessible. You rescued me greatly, thank you from the heart! I appreciate it.

Quote from: Rotten on Apr 12, 2011,  15:17:36

It will only change the skin,but if you put a bigger skin like a bus,youll start bouncing other players while you push them.

Rotten, maybe I misunderstood you in this proposal, judging by the response Alpha.

Quote from: Alpha on Apr 12, 2011,  17:37:43

Rotten, what you have said is entirely untrue and is not what would happen were one to modify the collision of the car.

Do not know, I'm afraid to understand properly again, you will not comment Rotten'a.

Quote from: ToMo on Apr 12, 2011,  18:00:12

Just because we are untrusted, we do CARE about our members unlike others.

This is very much appreciated, thanks!

Quote from: Shadow- on Apr 12, 2011,  18:19:55

I suggest you all think about what you're really trying to do and what a bad name this gives to you espcially FOTL .. You may have over 150 members, but that doesn't mean shit when your so scared of 1 partiuclar person that you feel you must make up lies.

Very true noticed it was you. The entire situation can be seen with your eyes closed. Why do they (FOTL) do not possess the principle - "after a fight with his fists is not waving? Why obrytnye principles and insignificant, stupid?

p.s. Previous my post a little bit fixed.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Louis on Apr 12, 2011, 22:08:27

Honestly, I didn't get a word from your first post, Gnida, I can't understand Google translator
We're not making any excuses, I just reported that this member used mods before, and I didn't make this up, you said it yourself
I don't have any problem playing against you if you don't have mods, maybe you couldn't see yourself back in the clanwar
And by the way, I know we did play badly in our clanwar, we didn't have our best players, and server lagged hardly, and these were the main reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that Gnida's mods made him really hard like a rock, believe it or not..
I don't see why are you being that agressive, and again, if you stopped using mods, and if you're not lagging like that time, I don't mind you playing in the tournament,  but don't deny that you did use before.
One more thing, we're not "talking about stuff that we don't know" like you say, I only know that Gnida was lagging hardly, and he was very hard in that war, untill I found out he uses mods, thats why I thought that was the reason

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 12, 2011, 22:17:55

Wait a second, who denied the usage of mod?!
Also, on that clanwar, Gnida wasn't lagging at all. I don't know what you saw.
Who was the one trying to solve ping issues at start?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Louis on Apr 12, 2011, 22:21:28

Quote from: ToMo on Apr 12, 2011,  22:17:55

Wait a second, who denied the usage of mod?!
Also, on that clanwar, Gnida wasn't lagging at all. I don't know what you saw.
Who was the one trying to solve ping issues at start?

I asked him to deny it, because its well known that mods usually cause lag
You wouldn't see him lagging, we're the one who were trying to push him, I don't have ways to prove it so believe it or not, he did lag hardly..
And yes, you complained about my ping and I fixed it, but what does that have to do with anything

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Shadow_ on Apr 12, 2011, 22:54:38

Quote from: Louis on Apr 12, 2011,  22:08:27

Honestly, I didn't get a word from your first post, Gnida, I can't understand Google translator
We're not making any excuses, I just reported that this member used mods before, and I didn't make this up, you said it yourself
I don't have any problem playing against you if you don't have mods, maybe you couldn't see yourself back in the clanwar
And by the way, I know we did play badly in our clanwar, we didn't have our best players, and server lagged hardly, and these were the main reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that Gnida's mods made him really hard like a rock, believe it or not..
I don't see why are you being that agressive, and again, if you stopped using mods, and if you're not lagging like that time, I don't mind you playing in the tournament,  but don't deny that you did use before.
One more thing, we're not "talking about stuff that we don't know" like you say, I only know that Gnida was lagging hardly, and he was very hard in that war, untill I found out he uses mods, thats why I thought that was the reason

Once again FOTL guys come in here and talk rubbish.. You claim there that you only lost because the server lagged and you had shitty players .. get you best players and please come back to us on any server of your choice!

Also please don't insult my dear friend Gnida with this 'Google Translator' shit, he trys his best to learn english and i'm sure you being egyptian and all you were the same one day, you wasn't just born knowing english ignorant fuck.

I'm 100% sure that Gnida did not edit any of his files apart from the .dff and .txd which would mean that he wasn't 'hard as rock' and GniDa may lag but you cannot stop him from playing you should compenstate and find a better server for him to play on, just because he is stiuated in Russia doesn't mean he should be singled out and told he cannot play because you guys cannot beat us any other way .

Finally i think all of your acusations and arguements are bogus and un-true at the end of the day it is very very obvious that your either small children or that your jelous of that fact we destoryed you in the clan war. I don't mean to be rude about it using the word 'destroyed' but that is what happend.

Shadow-

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 12, 2011, 23:03:07

And you just called the members who played in that clanwar bad. How should they feel now? It's clan where you're in
4ever, xatex, Louis, Council (First one played Flare instead of Louis)

We won the first round with all owls alive, it wasn't only gnida playing against you, you know..

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Louis on Apr 12, 2011, 23:15:50

Quote from: Shadow- on Apr 12, 2011,  22:54:38

Once again FOTL guys come in here and talk rubbish.. You claim there that you only lost because the server lagged and you had shitty players .. get you best players and please come back to us on any server of your choice!

Also please don't insult my dear friend Gnida with this 'Google Translator' shit, he trys his best to learn english and i'm sure you being egyptian and all you were the same one day, you wasn't just born knowing english ignorant fuck.

I'm 100% sure that Gnida did not edit any of his files apart from the .dff and .txd which would mean that he wasn't 'hard as rock' and GniDa may lag but you cannot stop him from playing you should compenstate and find a better server for him to play on, just because he is stiuated in Russia doesn't mean he should be singled out and told he cannot play because you guys cannot beat us any other way .

Finally i think all of your acusations and arguements are bogus and un-true at the end of the day it is very very obvious that your either small children or that your jelous of that fact we destoryed you in the clan war. I don't mean to be rude about it using the word 'destroyed' but that is what happend.

Shadow-

Could you raise your speaking class a little bit and be more polite? I don't see whats with your way of speaking guys, I'm supposed to be a guest in this forums and I am trying to be as polite as possible with you..

Commenting on your first paragraph, we don't talk rubbish, and again I hope you choose your words more carefully, and no we don't have shitty players, only missed couple of good players, other than that the current ones are still some of our best players, even 3/4 of them are taking a part in CotC, and we have no problem playing another clanwar if you don't too, same reply goes to Tomo too

I didn't (or didn't mean to) insult him, he is using Google thats a fact, and I don't understand it thats all what I said

I don't know about this editing thing, but I only know that he lagged somehow.. Seriously, our server did lag but his lag was different than other players' one, and I wouldn't say he use mods if he didn't say it.. And just for the record, I'm not saying your clan uses mods to win or anything like that, maybe you understood it like that

And again I ask you to be more polite with your language

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Shadow_ on Apr 12, 2011, 23:33:08

I don't have to be polite, you are the one coming into our forums telling us that our memebers use mods to better them selfs, also where is your 'fact' that GniDa is using Google Translator?? Please give me your proof, do not try to pass an opinion as a fact.

You also said in your previous post that the members that played against us are 'shit' so don't come back to be and lie, it also seems you FOTL guys come up with every excuse possible to say your better than us when all previous clan wars have proven otherwise.

Now, GniDa will play in COTC he will take a SS just to prove he doesn't have 'Mods' on his PC 5 minutes before if he must. You will also come off our forums and quit talking this crap because that is what it is, if you have any other issues take it up with the creators of this tournament not us.

Good day!

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011, 03:58:43

Hello Louis, it is quite clear to me that you misunderstood a very fundamental part of my reply.
I did not direct the reply at you or any one person, it was a general reply to the situation at hand.
When I directed something towards "you", I was not referring to everyone who will read the post, that would be outrageous, I was simply addressing anyone it might concern.
This means that if you do not personally feel that you have participated in any trashtalking, the first sentence was never aimed at you in the first place.
The same goes for the rest of my post and I invite you to read it again thoroughly, for I address many of your concerns and it is completely understandable if you did not get all the points contained within it during your first read if you thought it was a personal attack towards you, I can relate to that.

Now, you may be wondering how we can become so riled up about this and the answer is quite simple, though I can only speak for myself, and it is very much linked to that very first sentence of my post.
Rumours are what started this whole mess and unless you address unfounded rumours early, they can easily snowball beyond anyone's imagination, it happens all the time.
You say that all you have claimed is that GnIDa uses modifications and this is true so far, but you end up crossing the line between fact and fiction when you start guessing about cause and effect.
Had you merely said GnIDa had been using this modification and approached us with your issues, the problem could have been resolved smoothly and efficiently, instead this rumour suddenly pops up that he is using them to gain an advantage and the link is made to a past clanwar without anyone, including yourself; you admitted this, bothering to find out what actually happened.
As it turns out, the modification was never present during said war and while you may defend yourself saying you could not have known this, what did you do to find out if it was true? Apparently not too much, and for that I judge you just as much as the person spreading the lies.

Your posts are riddled with logical fallacies, but I will merely address the ones of concern for this debate.
You say that "we're not talking about stuff that we don't know", but who are we? You forget to elaborate on this.
Are you speaking on behalf of your clan? Everyone behind this case against GnIDa? Yourself with a twist of Multiple Personality Disorder?
I do admit the last option was just for kicks, but I am sure you can see the issue I am getting at, we cannot know who you are promising us aren't talking about things they shouldn't and given you are dancing on the fine line between fact and fiction yourself, I'm afraid your guarantee means little to me.

Another point you mention is that GnIDa was lagging during the clanwar and that when you saw this modification, you assumed that this was the cause, as you stated that "because its well known that mods usually cause lag", but here I must pause for a moment to question you.
First off, you form a sentence that both claims something is quite certain, that is; well known, and at the same time uncertain, stemming from the use of "usually", this already confuses me, as it seems you cannot make up your mind whether you believe they have caused the lag or not, but this is mostly a formal issue so if you feel it does not relate to the discussion at hand, you may skip this little note of mine.
The real issue here is of course that you are taking something of little relevance and with no certainty and using it to defend your stance on the issue.
Is it really well known that mods usually cause lag (disregarding the inherent confusion that lies in the wording itself)?
It is such a vague statement that I cannot prove you wrong, but neither can you prove yourself right, and thus we arrive at the core of the issue.

Furthermore. as you use the plural form of the word "mod", you seem to have already voided your own argument, as GnIDa only used a single mod.
If you were talking about modifications in general, as I assume you were, I must again reiterate that one cannot simply generalise every issue one encounters in life.
A modification can be almost anything, I could replace every model in the game with a single triangle (as models are composed of) and it would indeed be a modification, but I doubt it would run slower, granted it could run at all, I am not sure it could.
You may think I am overexaggerating a bit here and you would be right, but I am hoping that you can understand where I am coming from; your statement has little or no real information of relevance.

Now, were you to have said that you feel this one car modification (as you already know this was all he changed) is a cause for concern, we could have had a serious and enlightening discussion regarding the topic, you are always most welcome to voice any of your concerns with us, though again I must stress that you should approach us as soon as possible, as to not let things get out of hand as you did this time.
Assuming this is what you wished to put forth, I must respectfully disagree or at least ask that you back up this claim of yours.
A higher polygon count will of course induce more load on RenderWare, the engine of San Andreas which is what imposes most limits and causes most issues; not your hardware itself, but I have yet to see a claim with solid references or data to back it up that a single car modification (unless it is of an extreme  nature) will result in any observable or measureable difference to the gameplay of the user and I am sure that if it did indeed put a noticeable added load on his dated system, he would have immediately removed it.
As an addition to this, most cross maps are already quite simple in nature when it comes to graphical intensity imposed on RenderWare, given the diversity of objects is usually scarce and the clustering of objects is rarely high, so I feel confident stating that his single modification caused no noticeable change in gameplay, to him or others playing against him.

Ah, I do apologise for that quite technical paragraph, it is an interest of mine so it is easy for me to get carried away in a decent discussion.

Lastly you mention that only you would observe his lag and that his lag was "different than other players' one", I would like to address both statements.
When you say that only you would observe his lag, I once again ask you, and anyone else reading this topic, to please apply a decent amount of logical thought to what you bring to the discussion.
You are implying that we would not know because you were the ones attacking him and while this may be true, this was for a single match during a dozen (or so, I cannot remember) rounds.
I am sure you do not believe that we never play apart from in clanwars, and it is exactly that I would have liked for you to think about before making this claim.
We often play against each other and even when we are teaming up on a public server, it will still result in a battle should we successfully eliminate the competition. For this reason I can claim, with no doubt in my mind, that I have played against him far more often than you have, and yes, he does lag, what is to expect from a man in Russia who doesn't have the best of computers to begin with?
You are always welcome to voice your concern regarding a specific player in a clanwar yet you chose not to untill after defeat, and then somebody decided to try again after they found a picture of him using a car modification.
Had you voiced your concern during the clanwar we could have dealt with it, but you chose not to, and thus we can only assume that you accept our line-up, whom then proceeded to kick your ass, pardon my French (a post this long without a bit of humour would be a chore to read, no?).

You also state that his lag is "different" and I must ask, different how?
Again you choose a very vague argument in defence of your case and unless you choose to further elaborate on your point, I can only present you with an equally vague response.
His lag may be different, but may I ask how much lag you have experienced that stems from Moscow, Russia, a Pentium 3 machine rocking Windows 98, and a high quality cat? I guess little to none, is that enough explanation for his unique lag?

Ultimately, if my attempts at a more light-hearted tone deterred you from my points, I truly only wish to leave you with this:
Why did you not speak up during the clanwar in question?
Surely it was not a light from a clear sky in the very final round of the match; the issue must have been present earlier.
It took a loss for you to speak up about the issue (I am well aware of the childish accusations present in the match itself, but as you cannot be expected to control the every move your members make ingame, I disregard this) and when you realised it led nowhere, you seemed to lay the issue to rest.
Then when a picture emerged good enough for someone to make an absolutely outrageous and unwarranted connection, the issue presented itself again and it humours me that in not too long the issue will have been laid to rest again, until of course somebody decides to stir up a new shitstorm, be it between the two of us or two entirely different clans, communities or individuals.

I have nothing against you or your clan as a whole, but you must see where I am coming from.
You lost a match and to me it seems like some of your members are sour about this, for have you any general concerns, you are always most welcome to approach us.
When somebody chooses to cause a fuss behind our backs, with no interest in our side of the story, I can only assume they hold a grudge towards us and wish to mend their broken egos.


I would also like to address your concerns for the tone you have encountered on our forum, though it is most likely not the answer you would hope for.
You mention sensing a tone of hostility, and I can only agree with you, but I am not about to ask for it to stop, and the reason is quite simple.
This is a very personal issue for some of our members, we are not just a community of players who team up to win clanwars, we are, and have always been, a clan based on friendship and socialising.
You may notice this in our way of bringing in new members to the clan, we do not have a set test or a series of trials a person must endure to be brought in, instead we rely purely on recommendations from our members and the person in question.
We are not necessarily interested in their skill or experience, we are interested in who they are and how they fit in with us.

What this means is that to us, GnIDa is not just "that really skilled guy from Russia", he's that really awesome person who has been taking interest and part in what we do for a long while.
Do I know exactly how often he wins in DDs? Do I know what maps he's good at? Do I monitor his perfomance ingame? No, none of that.
A few of the things I do know is that he's Mr. High-Quality Cat, he dries sausages and the skin from oranges in his bathroom, he's the master of unintentional philosophical linguistics, there's a bank in Russia called ALPHA and honestly, I could go on all day.
But most importantly, he's an incredibly likeable person and I will happily stand up and put my head on the line for him, because I know that he would never risk the fun he has ingame (and with us, I presume) for a silly unfair advantage.
It's just a game, for crying out loud, if you can't have fun it's not worth a darn thing and I know he completely agrees with this.

This ended up longer than I had originally intended, but what I'm quite sure you understand by now is that to us this is not just some factual debate, it is a vendetta aimed towards GnIDa and given the very foundation of our clan, this makes it a personal attack on all of us who stand behind him in support.
This is our forum and we decide where to draw the line, if you find a particular post offensive you have every right to ignore it and I welcome you to use this right as much as you want, but when you bring up a personal issue with someone, expect personal responses.
This is why I invite any of our members to voice an unfiltered opinion, whatever it may be, for while a factual debate has no place for personal feelings, there's not a doubt in my mind that this is  personal to not only me.
For this very reason I will not apologise for the opinions voiced or the language used regarding this issue, a personal matter is bound to inspire strong opinions in those who care and I will not censor any support for GnIDa or any of my other friends here.

This truly is the essence of the paragraph and all of the responses you perceive as hostile, we are not a community, we are not a clan.
We are friends.
If you go behind my back and start shit regarding my friends, instead of raising the issue properly and openly, I will not be passive, I will not be quiet.
I will stand the fuck up and I will put my head, my balls and everything I have on the line in support of my friends, for I know they would never hesitate to do the same for me.
This is not being online playmates, this is friendship and you better believe it.
I am not trying to scare anyone off, but know this, if you get personal with my friends, you get personal with me.
If you have an issue with anyone here I am always open to solving it, whether in private or public, in a calm and collected manner, but start spreading shit around and you've crossed the line.
You may think this does not have much weight behind it coming from one person, so to entertain that imaginary notion:
Who the fuck is with me?


Oh and Shadow, everyone knows he uses Google Translate, silly rabbit.

P.S. I apologise for any errors in this post not related to the issue, I moved the post into Word after I was left pondering why Firefox was lagging as I was typing.
Turns out this post, where I have simply typed exactly what I feel, ended up slightly longer than expected.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Matrix on Apr 13, 2011, 11:52:04

I was going to say a couple of things on the matter, but after reading Alpha's brilliant posts, he's already covered everything I was going to say, so I suggest that before you reply to this topic, read those posts.

Also:

Quote from: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011,  03:58:43

You may think this does not have much weight behind it coming from one person, so to entertain that imaginary notion:
Who the fuck is with me?

You can count me in.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Shadow_ on Apr 13, 2011, 14:19:15

Once again the great alpha solves it all.

Quote from: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011,  03:58:43

You may think this does not have much weight behind it coming from one person, so to entertain that imaginary notion:
Who the fuck is with me?


Oh and Shadow, everyone knows he uses Google Translate, silly rabbit.

Always ^

And my bad, but my point is he has not actual proof that he uses Google Translator, so once again he trys to pass an opinon as a fact.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Tails on Apr 13, 2011, 14:26:46

I dont really have to take a part in such discussion since I wasnt there during clanwar, but using such words as "fotl has shitty players" doesnt fit in good image of Ownage Owls clan, dont you think? (http://fotl-clan.ru/Smileys/fotl/glupek2.gif)

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 13, 2011, 14:31:37

Once again someone didn't read all the replies. Please do so.

Quote from: Tails on Apr 13, 2011,  14:26:46

I dont really have to take a part in such discussion since I wasnt there during clanwar, but using such words as "fotl has shitty players" doesnt fit in good image of Ownage Owls clan, dont you think? (http://fotl-clan.ru/Smileys/fotl/glupek2.gif)

"You claim there that you only lost because the server lagged and you had shitty players .. get you best players and please come back to us on any server of your choice!"
by Shadow

Louis said that about his own clanmates who played (hence the "you claim")

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Tails on Apr 13, 2011, 14:38:05

Oh Tomo, I did, you didn't.

Louis said "And by the way, I know we did play badly in our clanwar, we didn't have our best players, and server lagged hardly, and these were the main reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that Gnida's mods made him really hard like a rock, believe it or not". No such words as "shitty players", as I can see; only Shadow did use it.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 13, 2011, 14:40:54

Shadow implied and everybody would take it that way. Shadow just reformed the meaning of what he said
How about Alpha's replies. I meant that in general

What happens now? Will your clan not participate because of Gnida?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Tails on Apr 13, 2011, 14:41:50

I thought Gnida isnt taking a part in CotC because of his car mods. So he will play?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Shadow_ on Apr 13, 2011, 14:44:02

Yes Gnida will play, he has no reason not too.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Tails on Apr 13, 2011, 14:48:29

Alright.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 13, 2011, 14:53:39

Well, if you read correctly, no he doesn't have them anymore. He even said it so on first post.
Alpha just explained it more widely.
He had that one "audi" cheetah replacement for 1 week. After we saw it on gallery, he REMOVED it.
It's not about car mods, is it. As I said before, it's about how he plays.
Is this all really because of one particular person? That screenshot and talking, was quickly connected and implied that he had in clanwar too.
Why would he still have it? Do we approve mods?
Do we have a rule somewhere where we say that using car mods is right? Why would you think so? And why would you think he still has them?
As we said, that can be easily be checked on the day of actual "competition", once ingame, take screenshot and show it to you.
Where is the problem?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Tails on Apr 13, 2011, 15:07:22

Really. No problems, Tomo, I dont find it correct to talk about car mods after losing 3:9. I would talk about that only if we would win, otherwise it looks like excuse (http://fotl-clan.ru/Smileys/fotl/annoy.gif)

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Shadow_ on Apr 13, 2011, 15:10:19

Quote from: Tails on Apr 13, 2011,  15:07:22

Really. No problems, Tomo, I dont find it correct to talk about car mods after losing 3:9. I would talk about that only if we would win, otherwise it looks like excuse (http://fotl-clan.ru/Smileys/fotl/annoy.gif)

exactly my point.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 13, 2011, 15:13:19

The point is that he didn't have it during any clanwar.

Quote from: GnIDa Russian on Apr 11, 2011,  21:51:52

Second, it is not used it on cw with any teams.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Tails on Apr 13, 2011, 15:33:18

Quote from: ToMo on Apr 13, 2011,  15:13:19

The point is that he didn't have it during any clanwar.

Quote from: GnIDa Russian on Apr 11, 2011,  21:51:52

Second, it is not used it on cw with any teams.

Our DD-leader and some clan members arent believing in that though. My opinion cannot be objective, I wasnt there during clanwar.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Potzo on Apr 13, 2011, 15:44:59

Sure, and I can guess who is it.
Besides, on that clanwar, it's like we didn't do anything. We let Gnida handle all players?
Hell, what about me, lowbeat and tom-e? You certainly can tell how we played as well.

Every clanwar we played and won, theres always lag stories. None of the clanwars passed without whining.
You probably have the same experience as well. And that was Gnida's first clanwar since he joined.

So now, Gnida will participate COTC, where he will make screenshot while being ingame.
There shouldn't be problem with that, or your clan still wont play?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Tails on Apr 13, 2011, 15:59:59

Decision about that is on DD-leadership (Louis, Eddy and 4ever).

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011, 17:16:44

Quote from: Tails on Apr 13, 2011,  14:26:46

.. but using such words as "fotl has shitty players" doesnt fit in good image of Ownage Owls clan, dont you think? (http://fotl-clan.ru/Smileys/fotl/glupek2.gif)

Nobody said this, Shadow interpreted something Louis had said differently than Louis had originally intended, if it wasn't because somebody is trying to pick up a fight here, he could have just as easily informed Shadow that he had misinterpreted him.
Either way, if you had read my posts, or even just the end of the second one, you would see that the reality is in fact the opposite, this is a shining example of everything Ownage Owls is about; friendship, support, you name it.
Shadow said this because it is how he felt about the matter, you may think we are coming on too strong, but this is what happens when you jump on one of our own.

Pardon my sudden shift of subject here, but how come there is still no reply regarding the modifications of your own members?
The picture from Flare is old, but do you honestly believe you have control over each and every member you have when it comes to modifying their games?
I can honestly say I don't believe you do, though I would love to be proven wrong, so how about you make sure your conscience is clear before fueling the flame?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: EddY on Apr 13, 2011, 18:11:32

Why did we lost the clanwar against O.o? Because some of our good members didn't came, that's the main reason. Gnida being like a rock, we could just quess, we didnt know at that time, the time we found out is when Gnida and Chechenec came on our server, i was online at that time, tryed to investigate that and started ramming him, he wasn't moving like some other guys who just flew away, i asked him nicely "Gnida do you use mods and if u do please remove them coz its not allowed" he said " i have since i started playing 6 mounths ago instead of cheetah is audi.. well i'll take tomorrow" which means he used this mod on the clanwar. Alpha how do you know what is changed in that car's handling and those other options, car's handling can be changed like they do on those drift car mods. Maybe he didn't do it on purpose but he was using like he siid 6 mounths ago. And we are not scared like u guys say coz of Gnida's skills, he isnt nothing special, if we talk about that, we just follow the rules and we dont want the same thing to happen again, that rule is written on the Punkd's CotC topic + mods are forbitten on MTA and u cannot install atleast you dont do some things to install it.
And if he proves to them that he isn't using mods when the tournament is running, he can play,why not? we dont mind..

(http://pic.mk/images/gnida1.jpg)

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011, 18:31:34

Quote from: EddY © on Apr 13, 2011,  18:11:32

Alpha how do you know what is changed in that car's handling and those other options, car's handling can be changed like they do on those drift car mods.

The MTA anticheat blocks this, once again, would you kindly not speak unless you can verify what you are claiming?
Mods are not in any way forbidden in MTA nor do you need to go through any hoops to install them, why don't you ask Flare about that?

If GnIDa really isn't such a big threat, then why is somebody trying to attack his integrity?
Once again you skip the points you cannot refute and raise issues that have been answered plenty times already.
This is pathetic, if you wish to have a healthy discussion regarding what happened, read all the important posts in their entirety and answer any questions raised, if you choose not to, you cannot expect us to do this for you.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Flare on Apr 13, 2011, 18:52:41

Quote from: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011,  18:31:34

Quote from: EddY © on Apr 13, 2011,  18:11:32

Alpha how do you know what is changed in that car's handling and those other options, car's handling can be changed like they do on those drift car mods.

The MTA anticheat blocks this, once again, would you kindly not speak unless you can verify what you are claiming?
Mods are not in any way forbidden in MTA nor do you need to go through any hoops to install them, why don't you ask Flare about that?

Alpha.first of all, as Starac's trusted information, I don't have any mods on GTA for MTA.Sure I have mods for SAMP version and SinglePlayer.
I guess it doesn't affect MTA, does it?
I have 2 folders for GTA.1 for SAMP/Single and another unmoded for just MTA. Let's cut a long story short, check out this screenshot.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/11jbzw8.png)
2-nd.  I can't answer GniDa as I don't understand anything from said above.
3-rd. As well as Gnida himself said in chat everything, we have right to suspect him in usage of mods, which's not allowed according to the laws.Sure,I agree with EddY, if he proves that he has no mods installed,he would be able to play, otherwise it'll be nonsense to make exception for him.
4-th.Clanwar is a clanwar,there's nothing else except fun and competition,and I don't think the're need to remind that it's just a game.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Matrix on Apr 13, 2011, 18:59:21

Quote from: Flare on Apr 13, 2011,  18:52:41

4-th.Clanwar is a clanwar,there's nothing else except fun and competition,and I don't think the're need to remind that it's just a game.Gnida, don't talk about maturity, you simple don't have right to.

Why doesn't Gnida have the right to talk about maturity?

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011, 19:00:28

There are no laws against mods in MTA, now you are truly making up shit.
Anyway, this has been mentioned multiple times yet you choose to ignore it, so here it is in its full-blown glory:
http://ownageowls.com/forum/mgallery/?sa=item;id=223 (http://ownageowls.com/forum/mgallery/?sa=item;id=223)

(http://ownageowls.com/forum/mgallery/?sa=media;id=223)

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: GnIDa Russian on Apr 13, 2011, 19:01:34

Much has been written and said, now I get acquainted with everything and give comments.

A lot of information, I am trying to sort through all and prepare a response.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: EddY on Apr 13, 2011, 19:25:00

Quote from: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011,  18:31:34

Quote from: EddY © on Apr 13, 2011,  18:11:32

Alpha how do you know what is changed in that car's handling and those other options, car's handling can be changed like they do on those drift car mods.

The MTA anticheat blocks this, once again, would you kindly not speak unless you can verify what you are claiming?
Mods are not in any way forbidden in MTA nor do you need to go through any hoops to install them, why don't you ask Flare about that?

If GnIDa really isn't such a big threat, then why is somebody trying to attack his integrity?
Once again you skip the points you cannot refute and raise issues that have been answered plenty times already.
This is pathetic, if you wish to have a healthy discussion regarding what happened, read all the important posts in their entirety and answer any questions raised, if you choose not to, you cannot expect us to do this for you.

Now you changed the subject, you are telling me how i don't answer on other posts? I read all of those i just didn't read the novel u wrote.I just repllied on Gnida's first post. Why don't you answer on my post? Comment it, give your opinion abt everything not just that i don't know anything about mods.. and now you are posting a screenshot from 1945 and changing the subject and accusing us for mods, bad bad.

Here are the pictures from Flare on MTA:
EDIT: date and time are in the chatbox

(http://pic.mk/images/gtasa20110.jpg)
(http://pic.mk/images/gtasa21302715429.jpg)
(http://pic.mk/images/gtasa21302715465.jpg)

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011, 19:32:30

Quote from: EddY © on Apr 13, 2011,  19:25:00

Now you changed the subject, you are telling me how i don't answer on other posts? I read all of those i just didn't read the novel u wrote.I just repllied on Gnida's first post. Why don't you answer on my post? Comment it, give your opinion abt everything not just that i don't know anything about mods.. and now you are posting a screenshot from 1945 and changing the subject and accusing us for mods, bad bad.

Dear Sir, you cannot claim I have not answered specific points in a debate when you admit to not having read my inputs to the matter at hand.
Thus your point is invalidated and I request you think again before you speak, though if there is a particular point you seek a reply to, do ask, I will do my best to elaborate on my views.

Your pictures mean nothing to the discussion, GnIDa also removed his mods but I am sure a mere picture of his current game would not satisfy the trolls behind this crusade.
I never claimed you are currently playing with mods, please do pay attention to what I write so that you do not come across as a presumptious troll, all I did say was that Flare has used mods before, as is exactly the case against GnIDa, the situations are perfectly identical yet we are not crying foul.

If you wish to continue a healthy debate, please adhere to standard etiquette and bring your questions to the table instead of random accusations.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Starac on Apr 13, 2011, 19:44:58

Quote from: Flare on Apr 13, 2011,  18:52:41

Alpha.first of all, as Starac's trusted information, I don't have any mods on GTA for MTA.Sure I have mods for SAMP version and SinglePlayer.
 and competition,and I don't think the're need to remind that it's just a game.

What is This then:http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8069/gtasa2010080114364616.jpg I just said that i know you had a mods I don't know if u have any now this is just confirm that i didn't lie about my sources :P :D

And screen which was posted by alpha confirmed my story too so...

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 13, 2011, 20:28:33

In the interest of openness and transparency:
IceBreaker (http://www.ownageowls.com/icebreaker.html)

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: drowned_and on Apr 13, 2011, 21:58:19

I know that Im the best MTA player you dont have to tell me. I kill those guys if they have mods or not (ask them, when I finished them they called me a modder LOL <- true story).

I didnt read all that shit but n1 alpha second page.

If you are so sure that you guys can beat them again, just ask for a rematch.

I cant remember what I wanted to say but if it comes back I will edit or post again.

btw. Why I aint in hall of fame? :S

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: GnIDa Russian on Apr 13, 2011, 23:32:29

I even am afraid to start to speak... I don't know from what to start to speak to me. I didn't want some all this big porridge, at least because it is very difficult to me to get into an essence of each new answer and correctly to understand him. But at me, it it turns out to do with some help, but spending time a great lot. To me it is a little heavy at physical level - it is possible so to say. But all these conversations take place to be and not public relations for the sake of, and to understand this situation for. I will write offers of small size that they would be clear, because of my English.

First of all, I want to tell thanks those who takes the part in frameworks of the given theme who quotes and makes comments, who goes deep into this incident. I repeatedly repeated it once again I will tell - I very strongly appreciate it, it is one of factors of my values, THANK YOU FROM HEART!!!! I won't list names, but all I think, understand, I speak about what persons now, consider, please, that I to you directly have addressed and have thanked. You help, replace me in a difficult situation for me on other language barrier.

All your answers very well supplement everything that I would like to tell, but at me it would turn out to explain worse it to you. It is the huge help to me. Such actions define the real good people and friends. And it in spite of the fact that we never saw personally. Truly, it has been mentioned! – we a clan of friends and the main thing not skills of game, and the main thing - «who you are? You from yourself represent what person?» . In our command there can be any person and his skills in game and activity in life can differ. For example, he can be on area with friends or with the girl in cafe, at factory at the machine tool or took from the father hummer, the patriot, or has left for a long time the country. I have understood it, when became a part of Owls and it is correct. I think, nobody will be minds, if I allocate Alpha. Even I will not think at once as to me better to say… What is the time you spend for the wise text, it is invaluable, it very much facilitates to me my thought and all that I think about it, but I can not express all in such accessible text. Separately I thank you, Thanks, Alpha.

Already on business.

I think, it is not necessary to quote much to me and to give answers as many answers have already been given by others in our discussion. It seems to me is will be a match for a bomb of conversations which have already been stated here and chewed in accessible language. Initially, the essence was that – despite of everything, without the visible powerful reasons, FOTL didn't want to play cw if in structure there will be I even if I will prove the case, time has gone on that conversation. Just creation of such theme has served as the reason of this paradox.

Quote from: EddY © on Apr 13, 2011,  18:11:32

(http://pic.mk/images/gnida1.jpg)

I quote myself from a screenshot: «I have since I started playing 6 month ago instead of cheetah is audi. Well, I’ll take tomorro»
These are my words! All is true. I explain, how personally I understand them - On the server someone has asked me, how many I play mta or when I have started to play mta. (Precisely any more I will not formulate a question, but that his essence) I have written that I play to this sphere about 6 months and that at present I have a model audi on cheetah. At present! Instead of 6 months all these. Can because of my English you not so have understood? At once I will tell - I don't try to find an excuse or to give a discount for knowledge of my English, what to justify myself and to calculate dates, I speak as is, differently I wouldn't create this theme.

I have started to play from the end of August, 2010, approximately so. And I then at all didn't know about fashions – me it didn't interest. More low, I apply screenshots from game which have remained. Press them for increase.

(http://i3.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/bc013bd60042f2cddc0ecb3be178f44c.png) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/bc013bd60042f2cddc0ecb3be178f44c/png)(http://i1.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/af84e28bc7f44607db2cf68183d3a158.png) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/af84e28bc7f44607db2cf68183d3a158/png)(http://i4.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/5efddc199ebbdb69ce1289b78fef4081.png) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/5efddc199ebbdb69ce1289b78fef4081/png)(http://i3.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/114bf61f7f18c8eee219c4e9cd80bb0b.png) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/114bf61f7f18c8eee219c4e9cd80bb0b/png)(http://i4.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/76dcecd246449d1f0906a34813163c8c.png) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/76dcecd246449d1f0906a34813163c8c/png)(http://i4.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/131f57679b65faff3bf8b4c3acb07bf6.png) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/131f57679b65faff3bf8b4c3acb07bf6/png)(http://i3.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/b28bafa8907386e9b3f09d9d83b3d860.png) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/b28bafa8907386e9b3f09d9d83b3d860/png)

Here it is possible to define and see under some factors that screenshots have been made then, not now. Mill not in a command still, I too without a tag, am those, in the table of death who already isn't present in a command at present (AlbanianGuy, Flare). I think it enough.

Fashions on the car at me stood within approximately one and a half week, can a bit more, I precisely don't remember. He was put since February, 19th in my opinion, and for a while cw (on February, 27th), I put a file «GTA3.IMG» standard of the license version, without mod! I have an original gta and I am primary all contents I copied in other place that always it would be possible to restore quickly game at failures or to change a file in my case, on the given example. Then I again for some days have put the «GTA3.IMG» which with AUDI and in my opinion on March, 12th have completely cleaned him. In CW there was no it! Has made screenshots of two different directories. If explanations as I could combine license gta STEAM with mta be required, speak – I will answer. Low already knows.

(http://i4.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/520e6bd7722e3a757dd15a917918fc41.jpg) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/520e6bd7722e3a757dd15a917918fc41/jpg)(http://i2.imageban.ru/thumbs/2011.05.14/7abedd0f27f65c60ab33f609001d6f11.jpg) (http://imageban.ru/show/2011/05/14/7abedd0f27f65c60ab33f609001d6f11/jpg)

Tails, Eddy, Louis, Flare, I have understood your thought. I think, you understand, for what reason this theme was created. I have above written about it. The theme was created from an empty place if to look, in general. And the decision of this nuance exists. Excuse for a tautology.

Simply I consider – pointing a finger at someone, it is necessary to look attentively, whether wasn't present under a dirt nail. Into the account it will be accepted by those is to whom it concerns.

If any fragment of my text is not clear – I will make other interpretation, only tell. I don't want, what in what be a place, expression of my words sounded roughly because of my English. It is better to ask again, than to misunderstand me.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 14, 2011, 00:44:29

Quote from: GnIDa Russian on Apr 13, 2011,  23:32:29

I think, nobody will be minds, if I allocate Alpha. Even I will not think at once as to me better to say… What is the time you spend for the wise text, it is invaluable, it very much facilitates to me my thought and all that I think about it, but I can not express all in such accessible text. Separately I thank you, Thanks, Alpha.

I was more than happy to do it, don't worry about it, thank you for the kind words.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Louis on Apr 22, 2011, 22:53:53

Oh this topic is unlocked, well once again let me make some things clear
- I never said that Gnida used mods to win on purpose
- what I knew was that gnida lagged harder than server lags or normal lags, when he said he uses mods my thoughts were like "thats the reason of lagging", thats why I reported him in the tournament, stop talking about our knowledge of mods, we wouldn't say he used mods if he didn't say so
- no we wouldn't quit just because he is in
- when you said before in this topic that he stopped using mods or whatever, I told Punkd' thats its okay for us if he played as long as he doesn't lag
I'm not trying to start any argues, just because some of you say we accused him by using mods to win, and no one did so
And excuse me Alpha for not reading your speech.
And lastly I wish you good luck in the tournament

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Alpha on Apr 23, 2011, 01:20:52

Quote from: Louis on Apr 22, 2011,  22:53:53

And excuse me Alpha for not reading your speech.

Then anything you bring to the table is null and void.

Quote from: Louis on Apr 22, 2011,  22:53:53

And lastly I wish you good luck in the tournament

Likewise.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: GnIDa Russian on Apr 24, 2011, 17:27:08

Quote from: Louis on Apr 22, 2011,  22:53:53

- no we wouldn't quit just because he is in

Why was not immediately put it on the table? It turns out, EXO team was against my participation in that moment when they (EXO) and had the opportunity to have clung to your decision - (Decision of your team, FOTL). A view your team (FOTL) was negative about me at the moment because of some false facts from the EXO. But this lasted not long. Looks like - EXO think so> «FOTL against Gnida, well, we also simply do not approve it." And this from the EXO does not argumentative explained.
We have to understand it all and spend some time on this nonsense. Yet due to such topics are unnecessary stereotypes about me. I have a very good ping, and fps is also, like many players. And never, no one had any problems with me and never complained. Is that the haters, but this is normal for online games.

Quote from: Louis on Apr 22, 2011,  22:53:53

- what I knew was that gnida lagged harder than server lags or normal lags, when he said he uses mods my thoughts were like "thats the reason of lagging", thats why I reported him in the tournament, stop talking about our knowledge of mods, we wouldn't say he used mods if he didn't say so

It does not seem suspicious, if it is to write at the time of loss? It looks very strange when you consider a few facts ... Note on the mod I spoke later, on another server. If you have not read, be kind enough to spend some time and read my previous post with screenshots and some explanations.
By the way, is there something immoral, if a person has a place - where he always will be able to copy a clean «GTA3.IMG»? I think not. It is possible to say if anyone who sooner or later, once put "mod" and laid out a screenshot. But it is - a very silly, do any restrictions that have no evidence at the moment and though this can easily be checked without too much trouble. I did not say so, Louis? Just all these conversations at the curb - not worth wasting time, but have a place to be, alas. It's like on the edge of a village farted, and on the other side said that the thunder roared.

Title: Re: Negotiating table because of FOTL
Post by: Pa[N]tz on Jun 5, 2011, 04:01:40

Uggly carmod but i like DD maps.